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  • As long as Roon, Nani and Berb can do this all season

    by Ducky on 30th August 2010

    Our early games for the season seem perfectly set up to give all United fans high blood pressure, heart-rate fluctuations and general psychiatric problems. How else would you explain our first 4 fixtures – Newcastle (H), Fulham (A), West Ham (H), Everton (A). Admittedly, looking at how Newcastle did in their next game, we have reason to be pleased with that performance. Fulham away was a nightmare that I endured with a bunch of fellow fans last season, doing what football fans do when they are in a bunch. Needless to say, that game won ‘Worst Watching Experience of the season’ by miles. So I will actually take the draw we got at Craven Cottage, Woy or no Woy.

    West Ham’s game was meant to be the break before the international break and thankfully, we treated it as one. Valencia being rested meant that Nani played on the right and Giggs (yes Giggs, on the left flank again!) on the left. Scholes was the midfielder/playmaker/puppet master/conductor/all-round good guy in the center of the field again. All in all, a pretty attacking lineup as was to be expected against the team rock bottom after two games, and expected to stay there after three.

    As has happened in the last 20 years, Scholes set up Giggs with a pass whose range was in yards but precision was in millimeters and Spector repaid the faith United had kept in him through his yearly years by banging into Gigg’s knee. Cue Nani to step down after his Fulham blooper, Rooney to step up, and as some numbers-obsessed people might have noticed, score for United after 1800-odd minutes in a competitive game. It was not the prettiest, but given our Nani experience from last week and Lumplard’s experience this week, it appears penalties are not a done thing anymore. Not since van Nistelrooy missed the one against Arsenal, his first miss since time began, and the Arsenal players surrounded him in ‘celebration’. And this is the manager who talks about Rugby tactics.

    The next half hour was all about Nani: The complete Psychotropic Assessment (not releasing soon in theatres near you). As he went through upper, downer, upper, downer moments alternately every 5 minutes, it dawned on you why he wasn’t claimed for 80 Million, even by Madrid. Roon, Berb and Giggs, in increasing degree of understandably, understandablier and understandabliest, were content to let Nani do the running and on that note, he didn’t disappoint. However 1-0 up, sent clean through on goal by Giggs with just the keeper to beat, he chipped the ball clean over the keeper, the goal post and the first 10 rows at the stretford end. Downer.

    The upper was not long in coming though. 4 one-touch passes to move from the half-line to edge of the D, a couple of back-pedalling, slipping West Ham defenders and a thundering left-footed shot later, it’s 2-0 for United. The pace with which the ball moved across the pitch was well reminescent of how we are used to seeing United play, at the peak of the Roon-Ron-Tevez era. Pure sex.

    The Climax

    It’s pretty heartening to see Berba’s done enough over the first few weeks for United to go 4-4-2 regularly these days. Apparently he’s ‘going for balls he wouldn’t have before’ and ‘taking that extra yard so that he can set up his teammate’ according to the usually-right commentary team at Sky, so I’m going to go with that. He did have a brilliant backpass moment when he set Nani up for his cross-bar rattler in the first half. Upper, that one. Either way, I think the haircut has improved his aerodynamic efficiency as was evidenced by the ‘Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon’ style spinning-heel-midair-hanging finish for our third goal. You could see he enjoyed it, and Berb’s a very mood player. If he’s happy, he plays well. If he isn’t, he doesn’t play at all.

    So apparently Carrick is in the England squad for the International break. Poor England, considering they also called up Joleon Lescott and Mathew Upson. Upson is surely not going to be a Premier League player next season, based on the somnolescence that West Ham displayed yesterday. I have no problems with that of course, as long as they wake up for their crucial games against Chelsea, Arsenal… Apparently they might sign good ol’ Robbie. That should be interesting.

    About Ducky

    The Man (from the) United corner of this blog. Verbose, mostly sarcastic and occassionally funny. Staunchly believes there's more to life than football, but then realizes that it's not really true after all... If you reallly want to, you can follow me on twitter @Duckyied

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    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Surjo/124580534246574 Surjo

      The game was good.. I never doubted Berbatov’s work rate actually.. Since he always seemed to be in the correct attacking positions always.. Got to be doing some amount of off the ball running.. And his numbers aren’t that bad.. When that commentator made the comment about the extra effort, he had just superbly controlled one on his chest which would have normally gone over his head.. Good stuff.. He never looks like he will get dispossessed. And the goal was sheer genius.. How many “English Forwards” would have wanted to head that.. Crouching Tiger indeed. :)

    • Off the effin perch – Venky

      And this is the manager who talks about Rugby tactics.

      Shhh Ducky… Wenger did not see it… He can see the dark side Scholesy though…

      • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

        You said it. Where would we be without selective vision?

        • Off the effin perch – Venky

          Exactly Nick… Not dissimilar to the Gooners ignoring the bigger picture in the Fabregas transfer Saga…. It is to be agreed that the behaviour of some Barca players are childish.. But why make Cesc out to be the innocent party in all this.

          Its clear that Cesc wanted his buddies to make the statements, he was trying to force a move without coming out the bad guy – something he has accomplished well. Cesc could have asked theBarca lads to stop as they are all good friends,but he didn’t.

          • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

            ‘Its clear that Cesc wanted his buddies to make the statements’

            ‘Cesc could have asked the Barca lads to stop as they are all good friends,but he didn’t.’

            Both unfounded statements which I’m not going to trouble myself with. And actually, Cesc has said in the past that Barcelona should show more respect to Arsenal.

            There are no innocent or guilty parties here. The crux of the matter is-

            1. Barcelona want Cesc. Understandable.
            2. Cesc loves Barcelona and would like to play there. Understandable.
            3. Barcelona want Cesc for a sack of potatoes. Not understandable.
            4. Barcelona players are a small teaser of what’s in store for the inmates of hell. Understandable.
            5. Cesc will leave us next season (not for a sack of potatoes though) unless we win the League or Champions League (heh). Understandable.
            6. This is off topic.

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              Unfounded? It just needs some common sense.. Pique, Messi, Iniesta, Fabregas are all a product of La Masia and are good friends. If Fabregas didnt want them to talk – they wouldnt go against him. They just did Cesc’s bidding for him.

              If i was a Arsenal supporter – i’d be a tad disappointed with my skipper and the way he handled the whole saga. He could’ve shown some class…

              Gooners just have a selective vision in slating the barca players while ignoring Cesc’s part in all this.

              The club and not the barca players were responsible for the offer which was ridiculous i agree.. I don’t particularly have any feelings for Barca but i won’t begrudge them beating the C*ap outta Real. As much as i dislike Barca’s attitude – it is a fact that they are Més que un club

    • Mechanic

      umm… the match was a fine display. . .
      but, as soon as we made the substitutions. . . there were some series of blunders, I had no clue what was going on… every one started giving away the ball for a good 5 mins, carrick and smalling gave away the ball at sensitive positions . .. apart from those dodgy couple of minutes the game was very enjoyable. . .
      and I love seeing MC lose. . . smug bastards. . .
      and I thought C.T****z was permanently renamed as ScarFace

    • bharat

      seriously.. nani did set the ground on fire (:p) .there was a time when he was involved with every united move right lift and centre.missed quite a few chances but deserved the goal.

      An yea berba has started working around a little.If he jus track back a little more to link up play with the midfield it wud be perfect cz lets face it this was west ham at old trafford !!! we cud get run over in the midfield by the bigger clubs or even the smaller clubs at home … and thats where it can be truly claimed whether berba has started to show some commitment or not.I dont expect him to be like rooney but he still needs to work harder.

      And berba cannot get away by being a ‘mood’ player.he plays at manchester united for god’s sake not to mention the price we paid for him.
      All said i actually saw O shea put in a few crosses.Evans looked okay too.

    • bharat

      And cesc is a twat.No doubt.He did manipulate the fans an tried to force the deal too.He might have made a few quotes in the press of how much he loves aresenal,respects wenger and all that but in the end he was as culpable for the whole saga as the barca and its players.

      In praising cesc u are actually taking away credit from wenger who stood his ground despite the money factor and the willingness of fab to warm benches in spain.

      but this happens in football … as with big ron at united,barry at villa.the only way cesc can redeem himself now is by giving a solid performance this season.

      • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Maddy

        Wait a second. I have two doubts here.

        a. Why the hell are we discussing the Cesc issue on a Manc post where we’re supposed to be talking about Berbatov’s Binky the Clown impression or Scholes’ brilliance?

        b. Why the hell are Mancs telling US how we ought to feel about Cesc? There is absolutely no relation between the Cesc issue and Ronaldo’s transfer/Milner’s transfer or Charles N’Zogbia’s non transfer. There were so many intangibles here which you haven’t even paused to consider. So please, zip it.

        But otherwise, that Carroll chap looks the real deal doesn’t he? :P

        • Sample

          And Venky I am quite sure they would definitely listen to Fabregas over the people who sign their paychecks. We followed this entire saga in a lot more detail than most of you. It was quite clear that all these players were doing it because Barca thought this would be a lot easier if they played this out in public and tried to make Arsenal look like a guilty party.
          Pique even went to the extent of saying that Fabregas wants to play for Barcelona but the Arsenal fans are very close to his heart. What a little twat that Fabregas is indeed!!

          • Off the effin perch – Venky

            We followed this entire saga in a lot more detail than most of you.

            I dont particularly like the condescending tone of that statement…. I have mates who are Camp Nou season ticket holders and some even head over for the cantera games…

            In fact, ceheck out the link below… A mate of mine is part of the organizing comittee..
            http://www.facebook.com/pages/PENYA-BARCA-CORK/128985983800157?ref=ts

            Fabregas is at fault in this transfer just as Ronaldo was in his saga. A player who really loves the club and respects the fans would want to stay at the club for life…Perhaps you lot have forgotten what it feels like to have a player staying at Arsenal for life.

            Btw too bad tFulham played hardball over the Schwarzer transfer.. Seems they didn’t like the idea of a sack of patatoes as transfer fees either…

            • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

              ‘A player who really loves the club and respects the fans would want to stay at the club for life’

              Heh.

              ‘Seems they didn’t like the idea of a sack of patatoes as transfer fees either’

              This is just nonsense. 2 million for a 37 year old, decent keeper who’s in the last year of his contract. And 29 million for a 23 year old world class midfielder, captain of the club who has his best years ahead of him. You’re comparing these two cases. I’m not even going to ask why.

              Anyways, the Aussie didn’t come because Stockdale got injured for 10 weeks and Fulham couldn’t find a replacement in time. They had accepted Arsenal’s offer, however reluctantly.

            • off the effin perch – Venky

              Age does not really come into play incase of goalkeepers tbh.. He has atleast 3 good years ahead of him.. And Schwarzer is someone who seldom has any fitness issues… He really is no different from Squillaci who only has 3-4 years left in him… But 2 mil for a quality gk like him is just an insult to fulham… Wenger never really splashes out the cash and while i admire that about him – its irritating to see him fail to address the glaringly obvious issues.. Same as United – we need a CM but SAF steadfastly refuses to bugde…

              On the Fabregas transfer issue – Barca are doing what Arsenal normally do with the youngsters that they recruit… The players are attracted to arsenal and their parent clubs really have no other option but to let them leave… Barca already have the best midfield and they dont need Cesc… Xavi and iniesta are better than him and Cesc can only hope to be the long term replacement for xavi… There is no reason why they must splash out 50 mil on a player they dont need…But they understand that Cesc wants to join them and they hope to get him on the cheap… Despicable from Arsenal’s point of view but makes good businees sense from Barca… I reckon that they’ll get him next season for around 40 mil…

              My contention re this saga is that Cesc wants a move as much as Barca want him.. One look at their squard and you can see why… In all honesty, if Barca had a poor team Cesc would not want this transfer… They have real quality and Cesc wants to play among his peers… Barca recognize this and they’re trying to get him on the cheap…

    • bharat

      @venky – you are right about cesc wanting to go to barca buddy.but not about the schwarzer issue.2 mil for a 37 year old keeper seems fair to me.an even he was willing to join them.So by ur own logic arsenal too wanted to take advantage of that.

      also we need a CM and some quality going forward definately.Not a striker but a creative midfielder.Frankly apart from scholes wer is the creativity in the centre of midfield?Fletcher is great but definaltely not a playmaker.Carrick is just not gud enf.Gibson is not quite there yet.Hargo is perma crocked.Cleverly is loaned out.One talismanic signing this summer cud have been made.we still havent half managed to replace big ron.i dont really see much improvement in the team that got a spanking by barca in the final.an even ronaldo has gone.

      I am really worried about the lack of signings in the past few years.Its true that the market is inflated and bla bla.but we need to use some muscle power in the transfer market.I am definately worried about our depth in centre midfield.And apologies for being so negative but these issues really need to be addressed.

    • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Maddy

      Well Venky, assuming you DID follow the entire saga as closely as Sample and maybe me, I seriously doubt having any Barca season Ticket Holders would’ve been of any great help. Unless the ‘mate’ you’re talking about here goes by the name Sandro Rosell.

      And yes, I agree with Nicks’ reaction to ‘A player who really loves the club and respects the fans would want to stay at the club for life’. Naive much?

      • Off the effin perch – Venky

        Pray tell me how closely you followed the transfer.. Did ya have lunch with Cesc’s agent or something?…. Hearing blaugrane’s views on the issue, watching Sky news spout their usual Sh*t and hearing Setanta’s ‘experts’ rambling on will qualify anyone as an expert in this year’s mundane transfer window…

        And yes, I agree with Nicks’ reaction to ‘A player who really loves the club and respects the fans would want to stay at the club for life’. Naive much?

        Yeah… i guess the likes of Scholesy, Giggsy, Gazza, Sheasy, Wes are just invisible to your eyes.. May be this is the selective vision that was bandied about earlier… If you want another world class player refusing to leave his club – You’d do well looking at Daniele De Rossi.. The lad is Roma through and through and has turned down a lot of lucrative offers…. Top players can stay at one club for life if they really love the club… Especially a big club like arsenal…. Its really sad that you don’t have someone like Tony Adams in your current team.. Then you’ll know what i’m i am talking about…

        • Sample

          we followed the entire saga how anyone would follow it.

          we read the most trustworthy news source in the world. Daily Mail

          And sometimes the second most trustworthy news source. BFZ times :)

          • Sample

            on an entirely unrelated note. I am quite in the mood for things like this since I am working from home today.

            Sheasy?!

            REALLY?!?!

            What next??

            Bebsy, Roonsy, Chiacrsy, Berbasy, Fergsy, Nansy, Parksy, Evansy, Evrasy?!

            Huh Venksy?

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              Sheasy is how John O’ Shea is referred to by the irish.. I’ve been to a few matches.. So i know…

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              On that note.. Its BerbaGod, BerbaSex, Berba-licious, Berba-touch, BerbaTeeth etc etc. :)

              You can find a lot more on here…

              http://www.redcafe.net/f6/100-reasons-dimitar-berbatov-better-than-cristiano-ronaldo-258455/

          • Off the effin perch – Venky

            Sorry Sample.. But i had to comment on this…

            we read the most trustworthy news source in the world. Daily Mail.

            If you think that the Daily Fail is the most trustworthy news source- you must think again.. They spout some stupid s*ite… A few examples of their articles..

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294354/Style-substance-Portly-Rafa-Benitez-cuts-different-figure-Jose-Mourinho-Inter-Milan.html
            Who the f*ck cares about Rafa’s looks. Yes he’s Fat.. But Inter signed him to coach and not play footie…

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308194/Bebe-blunder-Manchester-United-7-4m-signing-125k.html
            Seriously? You can only buy players after you notice them.
            This journo has been banned from SAF’s press conferences.. So this is how he takes his revenge on United. By soiling the image of a young kid who hasn’t kicked a ball in england.

            The Daily Mail have a serious vendetta regarding that Bebe transfer. Yesterday an article went up saying how “crocked Rio Ferdinand was to play against Oldham reserves, but flop Bebe still cant make the squad”. Follow dozens of people taking the piss out of the utter shíte quality of “journalism” and reminding them that Bebe is actually on international duty with the Portugal 21s, and sadly lacks the ability of being in 2 places at onces. A few hours later, all references to Bebe in that article were removed.

            • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

              At the risk of making a fool of myself, I think Sample was being sarcastic. Probably.

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              I did not detect any sarcasm in his comment.. Either that or my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning…

            • Sample

              my second most trustworthy news source was the BFZ times.

              how the hell did you not notice any sarcasm?!

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              Its the sarcasm detector at fault then..

        • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

          OK, I didn’t want to bring up this analogy, partly because it’s a shitty one. But here goes-

          You have a father living in London who earns steadily but unspectacularly and who doesn’t want a promotion. You have a mother living in Barcelona who’s a first class slut but a very successful woman (perhaps because she’s a slut). There’s been a public divorce and the court decides that you have to stay with your Dad because his position is more stable, while Mummy’s basically giving blowjobs to stay afloat. While you’d obviously love to go to Spain, she’s your friggin mother after all, you love your Dad too.

          And please don’t try to find loopholes in this analogy like where’s the court and are Arsenal and Barca married and stuff. The point I’m trying to make is that if a player doesn’t want to stay at a club for life, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love the club.

          A lot of it has to do with countries. De Rossi is Italian, Giggs and Scholes are from the islands, and if everything permits, maybe Ramsey and Wilshere can be our Giggs and Scholes (in terms of staying at the club).

          On that note, of course ‘Sheasy’ is staying with you for life. Where else would he go, Birmingham? :P

          • Off the effin perch – Venky

            You said it.. Its a shitty analogy alright… You can try replacing the dad and mum with a wife and a mistress.. That’d suit it better…

            You can defend Cesc all you want.. But when he does leave you’ll be disappointed… Like the Ronaldo scenario.. While myself and most Mancunians respect all that he did for us and miss him to bits – i’ll never sing his name. He’d be known as a great player but not a Legend….

            • Sample

              Wife and mistress wouldn’t make sense.

              If you say that he loves his wife and wants to go home but cant because he loves his mistress a lot, you’re saying we’re the mistress. Which we clearly are not!

              If you say he loves his mistress but wants to stay with his wife, you’re saying the wife stole him away from a mistress when he was a small child. Which doesn’t make sense at all.

              A better analogy would have been deciding to switch to ENRON from Indian oil

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              An even better idea would be to have no analogy at all…. Call it as we see it… I see Cesc as a normal 23 year old lad who wants the opportunity to play in the best team in the world and at the same time not lose the legendary status that he holds among the gooners… Well, you cant have everything in life kiddo…

            • La Shiz

              Cesc did nothing wrong. Barca are c**ts.

              Up the Arsenal!

              PS: Couldn’t let you get the last word in, manc.

            • Off the effin perch – Venky

              Pathetic

    • bharat

      Double that …. and barca are the most honest team in the world and have the most honest,understanding and upright players in the world :p

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