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  • Why I’m contemplating becoming a United fan

    by Ducky on 3rd September 2010

    Ducky’s Note: For all of you who might have been intrigued by the title of this post, yes, that’s exactly what this Guest Post will be about. The poster however wishes to remain anonymous, and hence shall only be known as the Mystery Maiden. Of course, that is also to prevent the Arsenal loyalists who are bound to get incensed by what follows below from pouring out vitriol on her. Before you do that though, fellow football fans, I’d just like to remind you- It is the international break, we all are pretty bored and we like our football with a dash of humour.

    As an Indian woman football fan, I’m always going to be in the minority– for every desi chick who understands the offside rule, there must be five young engineering graduates writing a blog about the Big Four of the premier league, dedicatedly watching and dissecting every match, and even putting in the time and effort to put up a website. You get the drift, I’m outnumbered and outfanned.

    So, at the very beginning of my career as a ’long distance footer fan’, Arsenal was the first team to catch my eye. There are two reasons for this- it was 2003, the year when Arsenal dazzled the world with their free flowing football, French panache and that unbelievable unbeaten streak. The second reason was a more personal one- I have a reasonably large and violent sibling, who would’ve surely caused me grave bodily harm if I supported any team other the one he was passionate about. It just made sense to be a Gunner. Don’t judge me!

    I found being an Arsenal fan quite satisfying for many years. The football, even if occasionally frustrating, had a characteristic and unique quality. Most of the players were slender and moved around the pitch more like dainty ballerinas than raging bulls, thereby satisfying my aesthetic senses. Peace reigned in my household, with the brother and I cheering and mourning in tandem. Plus, there were many other teams’ fans to casually spar and flirt with when you got bored of the football (Hint for you ladies, and a strong incentive to watch football).

    Things between Arsenal and me became rocky the year I moved to an English University. I assumed that I would be warmly welcomed by the locals into the fold of dedicated fanhood. But it turned out that most of my British friends found it incredibly amusing that I, an import from a far far away land (better known for its curry and cricket than footer, lets be honest here) was passionate about an English football club. I quickly learnt not to open conversations with a ‘so, did you watch the match this weekend’, saving myself their quizzical looks and bemused glances (Disclaimer: I was in a reasonably snobbish setting in England and the quizzical looks might have had less to do with football and more to do with the fact that I generally invited quizzical looks)

    Nevertheless, I’ve managed to collect a number of Indian engineering graduates (and some non-engineers too, surprise!), to discuss football with. Now, my footer friends are of every ilk- reds, blues, pinks and in-betweens, and they all treat me a with a slight amount of disdain and patronize me. I live in the US now, where the matches are at an unearthly hour, and therefore I am never as well-watched and well-informed about football as they are. There is still a tendency to outpour their intense emotions and frustration to me on a weekly basis. I try to match their intensity with a little of my own, but this is mighty challenging for one who’s biggest emotional outpour ever has been a ‘meh’ in response to getting admitted to the above-mentioned English University.

    Therefore, I came to the realization that my love for football was more recreational than passionate. I enjoy watching the game, but I’m not having sleepless nights about Cescy’s fate or Arsene’s priorities. I find it hard to whip up the emotion that will gain me acceptance into the inner circles of Arsenal fandom- if you’ve read this blog, you’ll know that in order to be a good Arsenal fan, you’ll have to 1. Be very depressed every time you don’t win a match 2. Write poetry and songs about your love for your club 3. Have a decent sense of parody and humor. I find myself lacking in all these departments, and therefore came to the decision that perhaps, the decision I’d made in my tender youth, was a midly misguided one.

    I thought about becoming a Chelsea fan, but there is just something so, errr, ‘distasteful’ about being a fan of Lumplard, Dogbag, and ‘keep your wives locked up’, that I simply couldn’t do it. Plus, I really like saying lumplard and dogbag. Liverpool was never in the running. I mean, they’re not in the big four anymore, Torres looks like a girl and who the f**k is Woy Hogson???

    United seems to be the only choice open to me, for a couple of reasons. For one, United fans seem to be a tad bit more stoic than the other type- which suits me well. I can’t put glycerin in my eyes and work up fake tears every time my team loses, which seems to be a requirement for my current team. Secondly, being a ManU fan means you get to cuss and be a general rowdy- a mode that I like. Not to mention, they’re apparently most prone to off-field activities in general. And finally, I don’t have to write poetry!!!

    And thats why I’m contemplating becoming a United fan… thoughts anyone? :)

    About Ducky

    The Man (from the) United corner of this blog. Verbose, mostly sarcastic and occassionally funny. Staunchly believes there's more to life than football, but then realizes that it's not really true after all... If you reallly want to, you can follow me on twitter @Duckyied

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    • Ram

      I can see that you have a brain. Why would you want to squander that by becoming a United fan? On the other hand, if you want to switch allegiance to another club, like, say Liverpool….

    • Sample

      Who the fuck is Woy Hogson is taking it a bit too far I’d say…
      It’s hard to be an Arsenal fan, I agree but the EPL is not meant to be fun as highlighted by:
      http://www.studs-up.com/2010/08/life-lessons/

    • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

      Fair enough. You do realize this means you’ll have to look at Rio Ferdinand. Every week.

      • Mystery Maiden

        I make it clear up there that I don’t watch the matches every week. I obviously took that factor into account while thinking this through :P

    • bharat

      loved the article about mancs’ off field activities.Another reason to be proud of being a manc.

      My friend intorduced me to EPL an he was a manc so the first ever match i watched was united vs who-the-f**k-cares.That season united came 3rd (the only time ever) behind arsenal and liverpool.Hate arsenal ever since with all my heart.

      hate the ‘holier-than-thou’ attitude.Whilst i acknowledge the shortcomings of the average manc (myself included) i still hate arsenal.

      Not to mention one of my roomies in coll was a gooner and put up henry posters on my head wen i was sleeping.Finally we had to settle for chelsea posters in the room cz that was the none of us supported.I ashamed of that decision now.

    • John

      Frankly I don’t care! Can’t believe I actually read more than half of this article… sigh!

    • A-Man

      A quite funny article. I have to say it is an absolute shame, one would think of moving on to another team, but then again it is that sort of fandom as an Englishman i’m not used too. I’ve grown up following the tradition of you pick a team when your young and support to the end. I have two teams, my Premiership club and like most other fans a lower division team which is Crystal Palace (hometown).

      I think Arsenal get a lot of stick whatever the case. We get labled as being soft, we get labled as being cheaters, we get labled as being gay, we get labled as being up our own ass, we get labled as being bad fans, we get labled with being too die hard and whiny, we get labled with being unimpassioned, we labled with being too impassioned. We get labled with being the first team to ever put out an non english side as well as being a french team (though Chelsea were the first ever premiership club to outfield a non English team).

      It is hard, but the problem i have with Man-united fan’s, is most of them that i know, don’t go to games, or do much in the way of support their team.

      Me and friend of mine, are happy to introduce people to Arsenal and English Football, we take people to games and generally welcome them in…you would be hard pushed to find that from a Man-U fan. They destroy our posters or scarfs we put up by our desks, write C”"t on our Arsenal mugs and when we retaliate get irate to the point of throwing things…Obviously cannot take a joke though can dish it.

      There is no sense there. Though im not sure about the whole poetry thing… i’ve never been around an Arsenal Fan that’s written Poetry for the club (i’ve been around a toffee who has), but we do not take ourselves seriously and personally that’s a good thing. It’s just a game. Not every team wins things every year. It’s not really the point of choosing a club it’s more than that. Well it is for a me as tradition.

      Whatever you choose i hope you find some middle ground. But do choose carefully, or you might have to move on to another team and bee seen as a glory hunter :)

      • Q8 Gooner

        Spot on m8 ..
        Been a Gooner since 1997, not a long time really but that’s when I was introduced to the Mighty Arsenal (I’m Egyptian living in Kuwait). I do envy true English Gooners for they supported the club since their childhood, they can go to matches, they can have a banter with the away section crowd and, finally group together pre or post the game to talk all things Arsenal.
        I’ve only been twice to the Ems (never to Highbury) but I never missed a match. I’m also planning to go there at least once a season to watch the boys play!
        The idea of switching to another club is just disgusting, not to mention switching to a bitter rival. In MM’s case however, that mustn’t a problem as she isn’t a true fan. I always say in jest, A fan in need is a fan indeed.

        Being an Arsenal fan isn’t easy and can get painful sometimes, but that kinda pain is sweet!

    • La Shiz

      I don’t think I can ever get myself to support any other team besides Arsenal.

      I would strongly recommend you take a look at the following:

      http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1257631840/

      And you thought you had it bad?

      Also this:

      http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1271541289/

      I promise, after you read that, schadenfruede(sp?) will make you stay at this great club.

      We share the heartbreak, year after year. But there is something so beautiful in the pain.

      The pursuit of happiness feels so much better than when it is achieved. I think to myself,

      what would I do if Arsenal did win a title(finally!). I have no idea. I mean, after stuffing

      my fellow football fans’, who support other clubs, faces with hot steaming sewage smelling

      abuses, I would be glad and satisfied and relax in the afterglow….aaahh..

      You see, dreaming about it feels so much better than the real thing ever would. And it

      really is only a matter of time when we do do the treble and Arsene is finally vindicated.

      In the meantime, you get to witness some of the most beautiful football the world has ever

      seen, get to act as snobbish as you want coz “you know how to play football the proper way”,

      revel in everything that is Arsenal, win or lose. Everyone loves to watch Arsenal. Even fans

      of ManU, Chelsea or Liverpool. Astoundingly thick as they may be, even animals(ManC fans,

      are there any of those around here yet?) can understand when they’re looking at something

      beautiful, unprecedented, a work of art.

      I read an article some time ago, I think it was on this website, I quote:

      Its not easy being an Arsenal fan, but its easy to see why.

      • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

        I don’t know much about Grimsby Town, but both of those posts were fucking class.

        • La Shiz

          Isn’t it?

          “Dad, you can fúck off. This is your fault. Your idea. You introduced me to this shower of shít. “Come with me to Blundell Park”, you said, “Come and support the boys”. What could I do? I was fúcking four, what choice did I have? Why not get me hooked on Heroin whilst you were at it? I could have gone with mum shopping for bras and knickers at British Home Stores, but no, you knew best.
          Granted, I’d have probably grown up a homosexual but surely even being simultaneously búggered two guys named Seth and Quentin couldn’t hurt like this.”

          We, in India chose our clubs. They were not forced upon us. We chose them coz we love their football. As I have continued to follow The Arsenal all these years, I have grown to respect everything they stand for and against everything that is wrong with football now. The way this club conducts its business, the way the manager and board behave, the way we deal with other clubs(We could’ve told Barca to fuck off, but we were always polite and un-retaliatory with all the tapping up), and last but not least, the way the fucking team plays. Its all fucking class.

    • metalhead

      Another thing that we Arsenal fans always do (and you forgot to mention this) is select one player every season and make him a scapegoat. Blame him for all the matches that we lost and also blame him for our lack of trophies. I wonder how good you are at doing that? If you aren’t, well, nevermind!

    • Eleanor

      What kind of Arsenal fan could even contemplate supporting another team?

      Ah yes. One who thinks winning trophies is what it’s all about.

      We play the best football in the league. We have players to die for. We have a stadium like no other. We have integrity. We have history. We are a community.

      For anyone not satisfied with this. For anyone who doesn’t believe each season we can win everything. Then by all means take your half-heartedness off to a club that deserves you. It won’t be our loss and it won’t be much of a gain for them. Ta-ta!

      • Angelo

        Well said Eleanor. Ta-ta

    • Sam

      You are a nomad and this flirtation with united will not last long. Soon you will be in to some soccer team from America or wearing a baseball cap supporting some US team. Fashion will guide your life like a rudderless ship. Good luck.

    • josie

      whose holding u? you can support manure.nobody is holding you back!

      • Off the effin perch – Venky

        Grow up and cop the f*ck on

        • http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=819764&sec=england&cc=5901 kalyanMechanic

          lite mama, we dont even know em . . .

    • Steve D.

      Well said Eleanor

    • Lighter

      These things are not meant to be pondered about. You make a choice woman, and then repress all stray thoughts with an alcoholic beverage of your choice. As a Chelsea fan of many years, I can tell you this works pretty damn well :)

      • Mystery Maiden

        Ah, finally– A sensible retort.

        • Sample

          Dont listen to Lighter. He’s a Chelsea fan :P

          • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Maddy

            Not to mention short.

            • http://www.paraphrased.wordpress.com Lighter

              Not to mention kind, courteous and polite .. ah, fuck that. Fuck you both.

    • Sharan

      Forget EPL. Support Mahindra united; MUFC of India. Nobody will give you any stick if you wanna switch allegiances.

    • Off the effin perch – Venky

      I am sick of all the Arsenal W*nkfest that goes on over here… It feels like a Gooner website…

      @OP
      I can emphatise with you on the treatment that you received. I am sorry that you were mistreated. I myself am aware of the discriminations that you’d have to put up with if you’re a footie fan in the the islands… The discriminations are not because you supported Arsenal. It’d have happened to you had you supported any other club..

      Switching allegiances and loyalties is your prerogative and i won’t jump to judge you like the other trigger happy morons above. There are two sides to every story. But you’ve got to realise that neither the gooners nor the Mancunians will take well to this. Its an unsavoury thing switching loyalties between rivals. You’ll be much better off supporting teams from the continent like Real, Barce, Inter or Juve and remaining neutral in the EPL. It’d be a much easier transition for you. How can you honestly sing the Anderson song having loved Fabregas all these years?

      • Mystery Maiden

        Off the effin…

        It was barely mistreatment. I loved living in England frankly, and any football disdain was mostly in jest! If you had a different experience, sorry about that :)

        And I dont sing songs man!!! Why does nobody get it ;)

    • Soumya

      It doesnt work like that..when you support a team with all your passion it reflects some parts of your character.i personally like arsenal becoz it kind of edifies my aesthetic sense nd my completes my expressions..i like the fluency,free flowing finesse of their football.becoz i like to approach my problems in that way in real life.watching man utd play feels like having constipation.but they have won much more with their pragmatic direct approach but that doesnt concord with my style but it suits millions of other fans but not me and other gooner fans.really whatever happens i can never change my allegiance to other teams.even if arsenal doesnt win anything in the next 50 years i will still remain a gunner fan.i can never feel the same with ny other team

    • demongooner

      boreing …………look if you that desparate to win silver wear sod off you won’t be missed. stupid glory hunter, what happened to following a football club,win lose or draw,now days all i here is ……”oh we ain’t won nuffing and it getting on me nerfes like,and it time we sac wenger cos he a crap m8 ,know wot i mean ain’t it “.

    • Common Sensei

      Going back to the article, and the mystery maidem who has such little faith in their own convictions that they cannot even admit to having them -

      Saying you are considering switching alliegances purely because you are sick of not winning trophies (after 6 years I fear your patience is not sufficient to support ANY club, but that is another article) just says one thing to me.

      You are not supporting the right club in the first place. Suppporting Arsenal is not about winning trophies at the cost of everything else. That is not what Arsenal values are about – which is why even though we have a group of extremely rich businessmen who would be perfectly happy to take over the club and inject millions – the board you all love to hate has locked down the club so this is not possible.

      They locked out the possible suggar-daddy owners because they are true to the historical values of Arsenal. David Dein and others have said that we must move with the times if we are to remain the most successful club; and this is accurate when considering things year to year in the short term.

      But again Arsenal values are not just being the top title winning team every year regardless of the way it happens. So if you disagree with anything I have said you SHOULD go and support United / Chelsea or any other club that has these values because they match your own.

      And I am not putting you down here Mystery Maiden; the mainstay of football fans would agree – THEY also want to win a trophy or two every season and they couldn’t care less about the sport or the bigger picture.

      It isn’t what interests them – TROPHIES and bragging rights are what interest them. So their values match your own and you would be altogether happier and less of an irritant thorn in the side to guys like me who LIVE Arsenal values every minute of every day; and totally agree hands down with Wenger’s brilliant vision.

      If you do indeed switch, good luck with your new team (keep quiet you are an ex gooner because these clubs and their values would deem you worthless under that circumstance) and we shall see you in the league whenever our teams meet.

      But know this – if you go from Arsenal to United, fine I will wave you off and wish you luck! But in a further 3 year or so if you decide you want to come back …

      Well you may as well forget it! Because you will have displayed that you are not a supporter of football or of a specific club -

      With that attitude the only thing you are supporting is your own inflated ego and winning either fairly or unfairly whichever one works at the time.

      The opposite of Arsenal values which are winning, but winning in the correct manner.

      • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Ducky

        Dear God! What a rant. Maybe you didn’t quite read the post fully well. The whole thing hasn’t got too much to do with the football as much as the whole overall experience of an Indian football fan.

        Do this little experiment. Ctrl+F for ‘trophy’ or ‘trophies’ on this page. See if you find any in the post. And see how many you find in the comments.

        Touchy much?

    • Common Sensei

      Infact looking at your article from a different perspective you were never a true fan of Arsenal, you said it yourself – your interest in football is purely social. It is something to fill up a conversation, something organic and positive for you to clap and cheer to in unison with friends.

      Basically you are not a fan of football at all, you are a fan of social familiarity! Which is no great crime, but I fear the anger you have faced from other fans is a symptom of your own clandestine reasons for pretending to support a club.

      The ones who go mad and shout and are rude – they are like you I think: Not fans of football at all, but whereas your focus is positive friendly exchanges and conversation – a factor of egotism within society;

      Their focus is also egotism, but rather than being driven by some kind of sociable underpinnings it is driven by one-up-manship! They just want to be ‘The Best’ and win win win – anybody who rivals them or competes in any way in their eyes is the enemy and should be shouted at and abused!

      You sound like a nice girl, perhaps you should resign football and stick to music or fashion – where your attitude and need to stay current with the trends will be viewed positively and you will be ‘one of them’ without the need to constantly switch alliegances or suffer the idiocy of either these so-called Arsenal fans (who have neither the intellect or class necessary to BE a proper Arsenal fan and appreciate Wengers gameplan) or the other side of the coin – the so-called United fans who care for winning at any cost

      • Mystery Maiden

        Also, Common- while I will readily admit that I picked a club in the first place mostly because everyone around me was picking (I was 17, its understandable!), I must say I am a little surprised you decided I’m a raging egotist from my post. Shallow, superficial, I understand. But once again, this post was completely in jest. An attempt to see the comedy in my football fandom. I don’t think its a reflection on my general personality.

        If I’m at fault, its for being flippant about something that matters a lot to many of you. But that makes me irreverent, not egotistical, and isnt that what this blog is about :)

    • GoonerFan

      Brilliant! fantastic! Hopefully their will be more weeded out – your kind of support has been choking the life out of the club and the blogsphere. I heard there are still a few ticket going spare at Man U, act now to get in there.

    • Ram

      No wonder the lady chose to be silent. One thing to get in as many snide digs as possible, and a whole different thing to find a reason to go insane and foam at the mouth. You can identify yourselves

      • Off the effin perch – Venky

        For once i got to agree with you…

    • bharat

      @soumya … seriously watching united is like constipation !!! our free flowing football wen a certain player called big ron and t**ez (now a C**t) along with rooney berba and even carrick playing well was constipation compared to the ‘free flowing finesse’ of ur french-african babies 11 .Have u really watched us play.We are the red team who play at old trafford.Giggs,scholes, cantona,beckham have played for us.heard of them??

      you guys play good football but the way you say like u hold the f**kin copyright to ‘gud’ football + the fact that we have no footy this weekend makes my blood boil and hate ur fraternity even more.

    • bharat

      i realized im not finished.F**k the trophies.players like diaby,almunia and ebuoe (whom you guys yourselves booed of the ground) grace your teamsheet every weekend and you talk about constipation and VALUES.

      Rant Over.

      nybody supporting indian football teams ??
      plus anybody watched indian football on the telly in the doordarshan days ???
      It was a hell of an experience.

    • Mystery Maiden

      @ A-Man, There is a looot of poetry on this website, especially by the Arsenal writers. Just go through the archives

      @ Ram and everyone else- the reason I’ve been silent through all these passionate responses to my very very casual article, is that I’ve been asleep. Different time zone you know. I have a pretty thick skin :P

      @ Sam, I’m definitely a nomad. I’m one of those football fans who’ll be shunned from every club’s fan groups because my loyalties are fleeting at best. I’m very well aware of my shortcomings! :)

      @ Ducky- why the F**k did you not mark this post with the satire label :D

      And to my insulted gooner friends…. this was completely in jest. I admit, I’m not a very dedicated football fan in the sense that I’m not emotionally invested in any one club. But I do love watching the game and discussing it. And this post is an attempt to laugh at fandom– the kind where we draw borders akin to national divides and hate the people on the other side with much enthusiasm. I’m not into that, frankly :) And its not about winning silver either!

      And @ Common Sensei- Hey, just because I’m not a passionate and dedicated one team kinda gal doesnt mean I’m into fashion or music. Don’t stereotype me like that. As a matter of fact, the thing I like most about arsenal is their business model– they try to control debt, dont look at football as another avenue for speculative investing and are trying to work out a sustainable business model while supporting their youth teams. Now that’s something they have on the ManCs, I’ll admit anyday

      I still cant deal with the poetry though ;)

      • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

        @Mystery Maiden

        I find most poetry gay. Except the Paul the Octopus one, of course. But it is hardly something I would indulge in, both because it is gay and because my rhyming prowess is rivaled by a four year old with spittle dribbling down his chin.

        So cheer up, you don’t need to write poems to be an Arsenal fan. Unless of course I’m not an Arsenal fan too. That would suck.

    • Common Sensei

      What the hell is wrong with people it’s only a game!! I am a die hard gooner but I love watching United, Chelsea, Blackpool all the teams really.

      I am a fan of FOOTBALL and it just so happens that living in Holloway when I was younger meant I got to see the Arsenal from my window – and on looking into it I thought they were the best club.

      That said it seems childish to me to abuse another human being because they either disagree or support a rival. Without our rivals we wouldn’t HAVE a league to watch or trophies to contest. Basically I think football fans should realise when their banter turns sour and gets out of hand.

      All football fans want the same things deep down, and that is to be entertained by the professionals who play the game properly and are the masters of it! They are spread throughout the different teams which is why it is such a good laugh to support a team.

      And to that guy bharat – mate, you are the one ranting. For me sport of ANY kind is all about values. Competition is all about values. If it was just simply about winning then we wouldn’t bother having rules and we would just amass as many players as we could and all rush forward at once until we had crushed any resistance. You may be familiar with this game it is called ‘World War’ and has NOTHING to do with either sport or values.

      So please, without lowering yourself to slagging off players like Diaby, Eboue and Almunia who are all good pros (even if they have their problems) and assuming that proper fans boo their own (which proper fans would never do). Before you do all that, realise that hating a person, or a group or a club is basically stupid and childish.

      I hate united when I am at fucking Old Trafford and it is 2-0 down after 49 games unbeaten! Of course I fucking do I am a gooner!!! But actually, it isn’t REAL hate – after the game in the nearest pub (which was a united pub) I sat down surrounded by supporters of BOTH teams had a pint and some laughs, and I shook hands with all the united boys and said fair play.

      Because at the end of the day it’s fair enough, some times you win sometimes you lose – it’s only a fucking game!!!!

      Hate isn’t for fans of sport it is for pricks with nothing in their life to love!

    • Common Sensei

      By the way what is your view on match-fixing?? Cheating of any kind ruins games and peoples lives when money gets involved – I just saw 3 guys on telly who cheated at Cricket now they are totally fucked and their own fans are saying they should be hung!!!

      Is that what trophies are about to you? Is that what winning means??

      • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Ducky

        @Common Sensei

        Ah see, now you’ve hit a topic where an Indian will get as worked up as all the Arsenal fans above. No, these are not what trophies or winning is about. And it’s completely unfair to the people (us) who have spent their money for some good, honest entertainment.

        So, really. What other ‘view’ can we have on match-fixing? No-brainer isn’t it? :)

    • bharat

      @comman sensei — dude u got all philosophical on my ass.buddy dont worry im not obsessed with u guys.I do have a life and a job and kinda pride myself on it (since i really cudnt imagine someone wud hire me — kinda feels like almunia) . nyways i still love to hate and see no wrong in it.Some of my real close frnds are gooners and the hate is not like the saddam hate usa hate.its just that sometimes some ppl jus say stuff which gets on your nerves and it happens a lot with em gooners.Thanks for your time though.an so sorry for slaggin of ur players especially after one of your own compared our playing style to constipation.so much for pricks with nothing else to do in their lives.

    • Common Sensei

      Apology accepted, and apologies on behalf of the fans which love to embarrass me and Arsenal by slagging off United.

      It’s idiocy really – the rivalry between united and Arsenal was the thing that intrigued me about football to begin with! Infact they are the best games of the season I never sleep the day before the trip to OT it fascinates and terrifies me at the same time

    • Yuramidel Clarspratt

      It’s a woman thing. Seeing as you so wanted to impress us all with the fact that you have a university education, I will bring up an anecdote from my own time at university. It was an assignment on the consumption of football as a product and part of my findings was that women aren’t into football as such but rather into the men and being prime placed for attention. You yourself have further backed this with your comment, “…there were many other teams’ fans to casually spar and flirt with when you got bored of the football (Hint for you ladies, and a strong incentive to watch football).” Where were girls when boys were out from morning to night playing football? playing with their dolls is where, and they should go back there. Via the knitting circle.

      Obviously I backed my findings with plenty of evidence from many sources and I appreciate there are some genuinely football oriented women, including those who play the game, but in general, no sorry, babies and the kitchen sink it should remain for them.

      • Mystery Maiden

        Your sexism is refreshing in this politically correct age!

        Its a joke, so relax… and maybe it is a woman thing, I frankly haven’t given it too much thought though. I think its a ‘me’ thing.

        I can’t knit and I don’t have any babies. Not only am I a disappointing football fan, but I’m also a failure as a woman. Oh siiiigh, how do i live with myself??? :P

        • La Shiz

          lolz

        • Yuramidel Clarspratt

          “I can’t knit and I don’t have any babies.” It’s only a matter of time MM, only a matter of time (unless re the babies side you’re barren or something, in which case I beg your pardon). Not so sure I need to relax; I’m not preturbed in any way, and in any case I to go and chop the wood, kill the contents of the traps, wrestle with the wolves and bears outside to prevent them finding their next meal in one of the women folk under my protection, and sharpen the spears for hunting tomorrow.

          • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

            Not cool, dude.

          • Off the effin perch – Venky

            Some people are just retarded….

    • Chris the skiing gasman

      Off you trot then love, you won’t be missed

    • Nigerian gooner

      I guess this is a prime example of how human beings can greatly differ .If you feel ostracized by your fellow supporters and opposition alike you should try Nigeria. the rivalry is so intense, sometimes you go to bed wishing a plane would fall flat on Wenger and then the whole squad but you never voice out this anger you go down fighting because you know you gonna wake up the next day full of hope and vigor for your team

      Well that’s how i feel so if i come to England today nobody’s gonna make me dessert my beloved club ,cause have seen it all and am still standing .Sometimes i think (God forbid) i would follow them into relegation if need be

    • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Maddy

      Oh well, at least you didn’t go over to the Spuds :)

    • E4superfly

      Pls by all means move to united with all there financial problems they wont exist in a few years.

      arsenal still plays the exact same type of football so it is not them that has changed it is you if u can say what you being saying then I doubt you ever actually loved arsenal.

      I have 4 arsenal shirts and guess when I’m most likely to wear one… straight after a loss If I get ridiculed for being a arsenal fan then so be it it just makes me love them more.

      My dad and bro dont watch football but guess what they man u fans … most man u fans dont watch football they just sheep they follow the crowd.

      Most people get introduced to sports through there parents so therefore not to disappoint them they end up supporting the same team and the same thing happens in religion and politics.

      At the end of the day every one has a choice to make and if yours is man u dont ask for advice from us go ahead and do it.

      Go get yourself a yellow and green scarf while you at it there is no need to come here and waste our time and yours by writing this article if u were never that passionate about them in the first place . If you’ve never loved something then it’s easy to change it.

    • gooner_G

      Its hard to believe that a gooner actually wrote this. I for one would consider it blasphemous to write something of this sort about our beloved arsenal.
      I too am an indian who started watching arsenal play around the same time as mystery maiden (2002-03) and i remember watching the likes of patrick vierra, dennis Bergkamp, Henry play for us. I remember the days of the INVINCIBLES. And i am disappointed that we haven’t been able to recreate the same success. But that surely is no reason to stop supporting the gunners !! Mystery maiden considers us gooners to be over-emotional fools. But i personally know atleast 6 united fans who would react to a loss the way we do.
      Its been 8 years since i started supporting Arsene Wenger & co and today its impossible to think about NOT supporting the gunners !!
      ARSENAL FOR LIFE !!!!

    • someonesomewhere

      wow all this for one womans cry out for attention

    • Common Sensei

      She wasn’t a real gooner – just somebody who got into football for a social end

    • Shazz

      I gotta say, this site is pretty entertaining, especially for someone who isn’t a footer fan.

      And this @Yuramidel Clarspratt is a very decisive chappie i say. Also this @Common Sensei. I think i very much agree with their views about the role of women in society and condemnation of non-serious fans. I hope, @Mystery Maiden, than upon reading this article, your man has chained you to the kitchen counter with nothing but facebook for company.

    • harish

      there are other ways of getting that mancunian to go out with you, though why you would want to is another question.. :D

      I honestly believe that a club picks its fan and not the other way around. While it might seem nonsensical to say that all fans of a particular club are of a similar mould, what it does mean is that there is something about that club which strikes a chord with you. Usually emotional investment happens only when you relate to something. You do mention liking the kind of football the Arsenal played, the success it brought and subsequently the managing structure that is in place as well. So in a sense you do like the club and you do relate to it. What you dont identify yourself with is the fans. You don’t feel the way they do and you aren’t what they are. You are a fan of arsenal, just not a gooner which seems paradoxical and hence the flirtation with another club. Fair enough. While I do believe that some of the reaction has been over the top and in poor taste, it has to be understood that more than dissing the club you dissed the fans so they are not going to like it. Not everyone is going to be cultured about it.

      While it is fine to write something in jest, remember that all jokes are not good jokes. This wasn’t a very good piece of writing. Labeling it as satire is not going to change that.

    • Mystery Maiden

      I’ve apparently set off a storm of angry comments and outraged reactions– so in terms of generating conversation, hey, apparently I succeeded. I’m sure the makers of the this blog are at least pleased :)

    • Sample

      Ehh, Everyone : go read transfer deadline live!!

      And as for you mam,

      Support whichever club you may want to. Support Blackburn for all I care. But NEVER mention something about Arsenal on the internet without expecting it to explode into a full blown debate. We happen to have the largest internet presence around the blogs so expect a lot more Arsenal fans anywhere on the internet.

      • off the effin perch – Venky

        Hate to shatter your ego Sample… Just because THIS blog has a large gooner readership doesn’t mean that you have to gloat about it. Redcafe and RAWK have a far better readership than Arsenal Mania or Online Arsenal

        • Sample

          I am not talking about online fanzines alone.

          Arseblog, Goonerholic,Gunner blog and Le Grove(yuck) have far better readership than most other football blogs.

          • Off the effin perch – Venky

            That only shows that goones prefer to blog and not that youse have the largest presense on the net.

            There are a lot of fans who prefer discussion forums to blogs and when it comes to football i believe that discussion forums are much more fun. That way – the views of a broader audience can be expressed properly and you get a chance to counter any arguments with logic rather then a blog where the viewpoint of a person is expressed.

            Saying this, we all do what works for us. If blogging is what works for you – fine. But don’t make it out as if the gooners have the biggest presence on the net. BECAUSE YOU DONT

            • Maddy

              Dudes! Chill. This is getting personal now!!

    • bharat

      typical gooners … We play the best football … we have the largest support on the net … we are the best supporters …. blah blah blah.

      • Sample

        there really is no point saying anything around you people is there?

      • http://bigfourza.com/blog/ Nickspinkboots

        Umm…

        http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/arsenal/6838/why-do-arsenal-have-the-best-bloggers.html

        And this is a neutral article. And also-

        http://gingersforlimpar.blogspot.com/search/label/Wikio

        Look at the number of Arsenal blogs there. I don’t know about the supporters, but Arsenal blogs are second to none.

        • Off the effin perch – Venky

          I don’t know about the supporters

          More like you dont wanna bring it up… I can give you stats on how united have the biggest fanbase , highest annual attendance and the highest revenue for any english club… We are also the most successful club in english football along with the scouse.

          I am sick and tired of all the gloating on how you play beautiful footie…. Just coz the arsenal players steadfastly refuse to shoot and prefer to pass does not mean that the type of football is beautiful.
          Beautiful football is whatever makes the fans happy and win trophies at the same time..

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVE0wFu6Ntg

          http://www.goalvideoz.com/watch/93933-Arsenal%20vs%20Manchester%20United%200-2%20Goal%20By%20Wayne%20Rooney%20%202010-01-31/

          These two goals over the past two season sums up what i am talking about. Any supporter will gladly take these two breathtaking goals. Moreover the type of football that we play works.

          Any chelsea supporter here will say that they played the best footie last season. And its true because they won the league scoring 103 goals in the process. The season before that – United played the best footie.

          Arsenal have been thoroughly outclassed over the last few years by United – Chelsea – Barca etc and yet here you lot are – claiming to be the best.. Talk about delusion

          • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

            ‘More like you dont wanna bring it up… I can give you stats on how united have the biggest fanbase , highest annual attendance and the highest revenue for any english club… We are also the most successful club in english football along with the scouse.’

            Umm no, I really didn’t know about the supporters. If you can give me the stats (which I don’t want btw) then well and good. United have the largest fanbase, congratulations.

            ‘I am sick and tired of all the gloating on how you play beautiful footie…. Just coz the arsenal players steadfastly refuse to shoot and prefer to pass does not mean that the type of football is beautiful.
            Beautiful football is whatever makes the fans happy and win trophies at the same time..

            Plus next three paras of shit’

            What purpose this was supposed to accomplish in this thread, on the internet and in this world shall forever remain a mystery to me. You’ve gone off in a complete tangent. Where pretty football came into the picture and where gooners ‘claimed to be the best’ I cannot see for the life of me.

            I don’t think Arsenal play the prettiest football for what it’s worth, though we do play reasonably well. I think that rant was just to release your pent up frustration for whatever reason. ‘Arsenal have been thoroughly outclassed’ and the like reek of wind up merchant-ism of the first order and has no relevance to the current topic. I was talking about Arsenal blogs. You were talking bullcrap. Is this how the esteemed ‘discussion forums’ work?

            In all seriousness Venky, I’m becoming less and less interested in replying to you. So unless your posts surpass their current level of pointlessness, I am not going to.

            • off the effin perch – Venky

              Where pretty football came into the picture and where gooners ‘claimed to be the best’ I cannot see for the life of me.

              Of course you ‘cannot zee’ that mate :p You’re from the Wenger school of selective vision… I can find atleast two dozen references from the comments which says that Arsenal are the best, play the best footie etc…

              I am sick and tired of all the gloating on how you play beautiful footie…

              Arsenal have been thoroughly outclassed’ and the like reek of wind up merchant-ism of the first order and has no relevance to the current topic.

              Actually it does have relevance as the OP is renouncing her allegiance to Arsenal and we are merely dissecting the reasons…

              The ‘you’ was meant to be youse and it referred to the gooners here who claimed to be the best…I am sorry that it came across/you took it as a retort to your post…

          • http://rambotwk.wordpress.com/ Nickspinkboots

            Apologies if my reply seemed rude or personal, but you have to understand that I was, and still am, a little pissed off. :|

            • Sample

              well done nickspinkboots, I applaud you. Now let us all contemplate becoming Werder Bremen fans and support Silvestre once again! :)

    • Tanaya

      @Mystery Maiden – as a fellow Man Utd fan, and a female one at that, i would say you are a girl with good taste ! Welcome to the best football club in the world ! Glory Glory Man Utd.

      • http://www.bigfourza.com/ Ducky

        Dear Gooodddd, finally, a welcoming arm :D

    • Mystery Maiden

      All right people, here is a suggestion.

      1. Gooners…..forget this post that incensed you all so much. It was meant in jest- a parody of my personal journey, with a few digs along the way at Maddy, our resident gooner poet and Aby Baby Kurvilla, Arsenal’s greatest songwriter ever. I had fun writing it and reading all your comments.

      2. United fans…. why thank you for your warm support. It was very welcome in these dark times!

      Now let us all move on and read Lighter’s equally inflammatory post, shall we?

      • http://www.bigfourza.com Maddy

        You didn’t have to rub it in!! :P

        • Sample

          abk was just singing arsenal songs that they sing at the grove.

          he was like that asian guy on american idol.

    • http://www.paraphrased.wordpress.com Lighter

      Allow me to paraphrase the lady.
      Shut Up. Move on. All of you.

    • Sample

      You screwed up the paraphrase. Assuming you wanted to make that a link to your private blog :D

      • http://www.paraphrased.wordpress.com Lighter

        Paraphrasing Sample, Paraphrased.

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